tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8200128116006033614.post8880411147285812436..comments2023-11-05T05:00:32.587-06:00Comments on The Shepherd's Staff: Why believe in a god?Johnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07733541934250687932noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8200128116006033614.post-85412977433626127952010-11-13T08:22:22.253-06:002010-11-13T08:22:22.253-06:00If you discovered tomorrow that god did not exist,...If you discovered tomorrow that god did not exist, would you modulate the behaviours you enact against those around you? <br /><br />See, I suspect that you would not, because you seem like a good person, as most likely are, and good people are good for reasons other than the presence of an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient deity....at least in my view. <br /><br />My view posits that it's social instruction, empathy and sympathy, evolutionary advantages confered by reciprocal altrusim and working together, and the good feelings engendered in people (and the self) by good acts. <br /><br />If, however, you, or any other believe truly believe that they would not be 'good' in the absence of a god, then I implore them to never stop beleiving!magx01https://www.blogger.com/profile/14831638782847911405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8200128116006033614.post-67422756096652288352008-11-20T09:35:00.000-06:002008-11-20T09:35:00.000-06:00Sojourner,Well said (has anyone told you that you ...Sojourner,<BR/><BR/>Well said (has anyone told you that you have a way with words?). Just wanted to be sure we weren't devolving into some notion of goodness apart from a right relationship with God. I used to think that people would be judged on the merits of their lives. Thankfully I discovered grace.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733541934250687932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8200128116006033614.post-23995087582534632932008-11-17T09:45:00.000-06:002008-11-17T09:45:00.000-06:00John, I am not in disagreement with you. Like Mik...John, I am not in disagreement with you. Like Mike infers, we need to be on the same page when we speak about "goodness." Christians define goodness differently than humanists. My point about what the humanists are saying is that we can do good deeds and care for one another but it is not the same as living a life in relationship with God. It would be like wearing "filthy rags" in God's eyes. In order to live spirit filled lives we need to pull Him into the equation through relationship - through grace. If we do not "connect the dots" between humanity (flesh) and God (spirit) through Christ we miss the mark in God's eyes because we do not invite Him into the process. We remain flesh and blood human beings doing flesh and blood good deeds for other flesh and blood human beings. Just saying....sojournerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03995591556892143652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8200128116006033614.post-26645027740233062132008-11-15T12:07:00.000-06:002008-11-15T12:07:00.000-06:00Hmmmmm. So just what is "goodness"?Hmmmmm. So just what is "goodness"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8200128116006033614.post-87659389197065487692008-11-14T05:12:00.000-06:002008-11-14T05:12:00.000-06:00The main reason I believe is that God is real and ...The main reason I believe is that God is real and Loves me. When I try to be good I somehow keep messing up from time to time and in Our Lord find forgiveness and love and mercy and Hope and promise of eternity. There is an option for those like the humanist who make themselves into gods.Scotty Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05824844249409791143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8200128116006033614.post-73847859782236491442008-11-13T14:37:00.000-06:002008-11-13T14:37:00.000-06:00John,Sign me up for the idea of blogging on this t...John,<BR/>Sign me up for the idea of blogging on this topic. This is an interesting find you have found. Thanks. I'll be writing about it soon too.<BR/><BR/>Twin Falls PaulAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10902485420515625337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8200128116006033614.post-82508600951046194032008-11-13T09:55:00.000-06:002008-11-13T09:55:00.000-06:00Sojourner,What do you make of the Isaiah passage t...Sojourner,<BR/><BR/>What do you make of the Isaiah passage that speaks of all our goodness/righteousness being filthy rags? Or what of the Psalmists claim that "there is none who does good not even one." (Ps 14:3)? <BR/><BR/>It seems to me that God is saying even our best deeds are done in rebellion. Is it possible that, in God's eyes, we are incapable of "doing good" apart from a right relationship with Him? Just asking...Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733541934250687932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8200128116006033614.post-37426855656219525912008-11-13T07:22:00.000-06:002008-11-13T07:22:00.000-06:00it's not about goodness it's about grace - we don'...it's not about goodness it's about grace - we don't need God to do good works - the humanist's are correct in saying we can be "good" people without God - that is not the message we proclaim - we need the healing balm of His Grace - Christ Jesus who came to bring healing to a broken world - He is the hope that connects the dots between the humanist message and God's message - He did it with arms spread wide upon a tree atop Calvery. As you say we must "speak up in a 1 Peter 3:15-16 kind of way." Great post to direct our thoughts toward Advent!sojournerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03995591556892143652noreply@blogger.com